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Wallace and Gromit Mastermind Posted: Apr 9th 2013

how can i do lip sync easily?  is there any software that i need to download?   should i replace the mouth every 2 frames, 1 frame etc.? thanks!


daisychimp Posted: Apr 9th 2013

Well when I used to do animation on the computer, changing the lip sync every 1 frame made it too fast! Maybe 2 or 3 frames apart?? Try it! :-)


iantimothy Posted: Apr 9th 2013

I was talking to Brian McLean, the director of rapid prototype at LAIKA. He is basically the guy that does the replacement mouths on the movies Coraline and ParaNorman. He told me that they shoot almost all of their lip sync of twos, moving the mouths only every two frames. just like Daisy said, it makes it too fast and jittery sometimes if you move it every frame. 

Sometimes you have to move the mouths every frame and sometimes you have to draw shapes out longer than two frames, it all depends on what the dialogue is.
Check out my latest animation, it is pretty much all lip sync and most of it was done on twos. http://youtu.be/ap7Q5Ew05gk


Wallace and Gromit Mastermind Posted: Apr 9th 2013

i use 20 fps.  about how many frames for every mouth?


Wallace and Gromit Mastermind Posted: Apr 9th 2013

or should i use 24 fps?


mmasonghi studios Posted: Apr 9th 2013

I not going to give any advice except, go buy the book the animators survival kit. It's great for drawn and stop frame animation. 


Wallace and Gromit Mastermind Posted: Apr 9th 2013

by the way, nice animation very smooth. 


mmasonghi studios Posted: Apr 9th 2013

24 and 12 those are the best fps's


Wallace and Gromit Mastermind Posted: Apr 10th 2013

when i use12 fps, should my animation capture in twos?
please give a specific ratio of fps to how mamy stills(eg.in2s,3s etc)


iantimothy Posted: Apr 10th 2013

always shoot at 24 frames per second. If you want to shoot on 12 frames per second, just take two frames each time instead of one. But sometimes you just won't be able to animate something smoothly on 12. 

There is not a set amount of time each mouth will be on, it depends on the dialogue. 


Wallace and Gromit Mastermind Posted: Apr 10th 2013

but what do you think is the best? by two or by ones?


Wallace and Gromit Mastermind Posted: Apr 10th 2013

how couldi estimate the dialogue?


iantimothy Posted: Apr 11th 2013

There really is no best, You will have to listen to the dialogue frame by frame and figure out what mouth shape will be on. 


Wallace and Gromit Mastermind Posted: Apr 11th 2013

how could i break the dialog by frames?


mmasonghi studios Posted: Apr 11th 2013

Sometimes you're animation program is built in with it, if not this(link at the end) is a good program for it.(I've been using it for years and it's never let me down.)
http://www.digitalarena.co.uk/animation/j_lip_sync.htm 


iantimothy Posted: Apr 12th 2013

I used to use iStopMotion, which worked pretty well, and now I use DragonFrame which is great!!! I have heard good things about J lip sync, and that should help you figure out what you need. 


Wallace and Gromit Mastermind Posted: Apr 12th 2013

I tried using it now. It works fine for me.  Can i use iStopMotion for windows 7 or is it only meant for mac?  Do you know any tutorial where i could see the replacement mouth for wallace?


iantimothy Posted: Apr 13th 2013

iStopmotion is only for mac, the Windows equivalent is Stop Motion Pro. 

Here are several videos that are good to watch, some of these are obviously professional, but they will give you good ideas. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqnIEys-9dI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbWW8vigrF0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2HpkP0fytg 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgD_KFOJ5XA 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxOMD24k82w 



iantimothy Posted: Apr 14th 2013

Those are wallaces mouths, I think the first one is a picture from Cracking Animation. That should give you a pretty good idea of the different mouth shapes for each sound. But remember that is Wallace, so his mouths are very exagerated, depending on your characters the shapes may be different. You can alwasy google "animation Phonemes" and see some more general shapes that go with each sound. Also don't forget simply looking in a mirror, if you have any question what a shape the mouth should be for a sound, look in a mirror, make that sound and see what your mouth does. 

Also, could you post a picture of one of your characters? That might help me be able to give you any more advice, if I can see what you are working with. 


Wallace and Gromit Mastermind Posted: Apr 20th 2013

i am not yet done with my clay model. i am making wallace and gromit. i am done with gromit. do ou also know some tips on making gromit walk without the armature getting off?  how about wallace?


iantimothy Posted: Apr 20th 2013

what do you mean without the armature getting off?


Wallace and Gromit Mastermind Posted: Apr 20th 2013

when i try to make gromit move his arms, everytime i move slightly the arm sometimes the armature gets left. so i have to rebuild it. have you watched my "Winter Wonderland Claymation"?  as you can see there, i did not really move gromits feet neither wallaces legs.  it is hard to move because it the armature gets left.  must i get a smaller size of armature?


iantimothy Posted: Apr 21st 2013

What type of wire are you using, you may need a more maleable wire. The best kind is 16 guage annealed alluminum wire, you can usually find it in art or hobby stores, it is sometimes just called armature wire. Check out this thread, it is pretty old, but it has a lot of good information.
http://www.wallaceandgromit.com/forum/read/13220/4/1 


Wallace and Gromit Mastermind Posted: Apr 24th 2013

how will i do the replacemnt mouths?  must i use polymer cLAY under the mouth? so the clay won't stick?


iantimothy Posted: Apr 24th 2013

No, just use your plasticine. The clay should stick, but it wont stick too much. It will require some resculpting, so don't worry if the mouth gets to bent out of shape. 


Wallace and Gromit Mastermind Posted: Apr 25th 2013

ok thanks.  must i use polymer clay for the teeth?


iantimothy Posted: Apr 25th 2013

You can, but you don't have too.


Wallace and Gromit Mastermind Posted: Apr 25th 2013

But wallaces mouth has teeth. is it still required?


iantimothy Posted: Apr 25th 2013

wallace should have teeth, but the material is up to you. That's not to say though that every character should need teeth though.




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